Comments on: Benefits of CSS http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/ Surfer and Internet Entrepreneur Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:37:41 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bruce McIsaac http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-291230 Bruce McIsaac Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:41:04 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-291230 I think all of your points are good but still there is quite a strong argument against (and growing) each of the beneifits you point out. I was a CSS expert for years but of recent CSS has not been showing any improvement in either declaring documents, maintaining style, speed, compatability...etc. We recently removed CSS from our entire page repository in favour of a JS engine, Iframes and just plain html. There has been a noticable change in the heterogeniality of the pages reaching our sites, more visits to our pages with higher page hit rates per visitor, higher rankings on all the search engines. Our graphics guy was so happy we tossed it he just about cried. Not sure why anyone would bother anymore unless they just have a passion for strange codes and puzzels. I think all of your points are good but still there is quite a strong argument against (and growing) each of the beneifits you point out. I was a CSS expert for years but of recent CSS has not been showing any improvement in either declaring documents, maintaining style, speed, compatability…etc. We recently removed CSS from our entire page repository in favour of a JS engine, Iframes and just plain html. There has been a noticable change in the heterogeniality of the pages reaching our sites, more visits to our pages with higher page hit rates per visitor, higher rankings on all the search engines. Our graphics guy was so happy we tossed it he just about cried. Not sure why anyone would bother anymore unless they just have a passion for strange codes and puzzels.

]]> By: scott http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-228857 scott Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:47:46 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-228857 We use CSS exclusively...cant imagine not using it...and it has a LOT of SEO benefits as well...which is covered in many articles if you Google it. All professionally desinged wb sites should be in CSS, with few exceptions. Scott www.imageworksstudio.com We use CSS exclusively…cant imagine not using it…and it has a LOT of SEO benefits as well…which is covered in many articles if you Google it. All professionally desinged wb sites should be in CSS, with few exceptions.

Scott
http://www.imageworksstudio.com

]]> By: 29 links on Search and Design -SEO by the Sea - by Key Relevance’s Bill Slawski http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-220405 29 links on Search and Design -SEO by the Sea - by Key Relevance’s Bill Slawski Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:01:05 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-220405 [...] Benefits of CSS I remember some of my early forays into CSS back in 1997. I gave up out of frustration over the way different browsers treated cascading style sheets. Browsers have gotten better, and the list of benefits that Cameron provides makes a strong case for their use. [...] [...] Benefits of CSS I remember some of my early forays into CSS back in 1997. I gave up out of frustration over the way different browsers treated cascading style sheets. Browsers have gotten better, and the list of benefits that Cameron provides makes a strong case for their use. [...]

]]> By: Steve http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-104645 Steve Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:52:48 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-104645 I can understand that people who have spent time learning one system find it maybe problematic to start learning a different way of working. But whether or not css is better is almost irrelevant, for it's evolution in motion. Either you adapt or fall by the wayside. In a few years, CSS addicts will face the same sort of problems as the Tablesaurs are facing now. Either they knuckle down & learn the next new codes, or they join the Tablesaurs in web oblivion. The whole process of people continually adapting & learning new code is actually what makes the internet stop being a dull place. Content is of course essential, but interesting coherent design is paramount to keeping the content alive. One problem with CSS is that the strict definitions aren't fully implemented across the spectrum. This is what puts certain people off from taking the plunge. Even the reticent who dip in their toes get scared by the sheer volume of different ways on working with it & different ideas that are out there. Those who are a bit braver & take the plunge can flounder around for ages looking for the 'magic' design that will work for them. I'm one of those. Keep hovering around looking at fixed/fluid/mixed layouts but can't work out which will be best. I have a feeling that a truly fluid ems based layout will be best, but the problem is images. There are solutions, like on Stu Nicholl's site, but these are almost scarey for a CSS duckling like myself. But it's fun & luckily there are enough strong swimmers to make CSS work to it's full potential. A possible solution for the future would be a solid framework converting system. Perhaps that will see a whole new 'job' in web dev ? I can understand that people who have spent time learning one system find it maybe problematic to start learning a different way of working.
But whether or not css is better is almost irrelevant, for it’s evolution in motion. Either you adapt or fall by the wayside. In a few years, CSS addicts will face the same sort of problems as the Tablesaurs are facing now. Either they knuckle down & learn the next new codes, or they join the Tablesaurs in web oblivion.
The whole process of people continually adapting & learning new code is actually what makes the internet stop being a dull place. Content is of course essential, but interesting coherent design is paramount to keeping the content alive.
One problem with CSS is that the strict definitions aren’t fully implemented across the spectrum. This is what puts certain people off from taking the plunge.
Even the reticent who dip in their toes get scared by the sheer volume of different ways on working with it & different ideas that are out there.
Those who are a bit braver & take the plunge can flounder around for ages looking for the ‘magic’ design that will work for them.
I’m one of those. Keep hovering around looking at fixed/fluid/mixed layouts but can’t work out which will be best. I have a feeling that a truly fluid ems based layout will be best, but the problem is images.
There are solutions, like on Stu Nicholl’s site, but these are almost scarey for a CSS duckling like myself. But it’s fun & luckily there are enough strong swimmers to make CSS work to it’s full potential.
A possible solution for the future would be a solid framework converting system. Perhaps that will see a whole new ‘job’ in web dev ?

]]> By: Chris R. http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-102300 Chris R. Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:09:39 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-102300 I agree completely with this site by Cameron I agree completely with this site by Cameron

]]> By: Frederic Villahermosa http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-102275 Frederic Villahermosa Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:24:53 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-102275 I don't understand anything. My brain is not working well. I'm sorry. I don’t understand anything. My brain is not working well. I’m sorry.

]]> By: holiday http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-15089 holiday Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:55:03 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-15089 Maintenance - Maintaining websites with CSS based layouts is a hundred time easier than maintaining ones that are table based. Seriously! If you’re not making any content changes to the site all you really need to do is update one file, of course that all depends on the size of the site. But even if it is a large site it would still only be a fraction of the total pages. ı don't understand.. Maintenance – Maintaining websites with CSS based layouts is a hundred time easier than maintaining ones that are table based. Seriously! If you’re not making any content changes to the site all you really need to do is update one file, of course that all depends on the size of the site. But even if it is a large site it would still only be a fraction of the total pages.

ı don’t understand..

]]> By: David http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-483 David Mon, 01 May 2006 00:33:38 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-483 I guess I maybe the only designer that is fully sold on designing with CSS. The other MAJOR factor is language control. I work on multi-language sites. I use CSS and JavaScript to control language encoding. I nuse 4 CSS to serve Western and Eastern European, Cyrillic and Asian pages. I guess I maybe the only designer that is fully sold on designing with CSS. The other MAJOR factor is language control. I work on multi-language sites. I use CSS and JavaScript to control language encoding. I nuse 4 CSS to serve Western and Eastern European, Cyrillic and Asian pages.

]]> By: Andy Ford http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-428 Andy Ford Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:36:51 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-428 The maintenence of a css-based layout is a hundred times easier than the maintenence of a table-based layout? That's just an exaggeration... An UNDER-exaggeration!!! When I decided to learn CSS as a newbie, but somewhat comfortable HTML coder with no programming background - I was intimidated by the idea of having to learn a whole new set of rules and a whole new way of doing things (of course, once I learned it, I never looked back). But I think the fear of learning something new or learning how to think in a different way is the stumbling block people have to get over. Besides, if you're working with anything remotely involved with computers, you should Expect you'll have to rethink the way you do things and learn to deal with it! The maintenence of a css-based layout is a hundred times easier than the maintenence of a table-based layout? That’s just an exaggeration… An UNDER-exaggeration!!!

When I decided to learn CSS as a newbie, but somewhat comfortable HTML coder with no programming background – I was intimidated by the idea of having to learn a whole new set of rules and a whole new way of doing things (of course, once I learned it, I never looked back). But I think the fear of learning something new or learning how to think in a different way is the stumbling block people have to get over.

Besides, if you’re working with anything remotely involved with computers, you should Expect you’ll have to rethink the way you do things and learn to deal with it!

]]> By: Al Lustie http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-408 Al Lustie Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:30:09 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-408 I generally agree, but get annoyed every time I have to make special allowances for IE. And now we hear that the next IE might need different hacks that will interefere with our current hacks. I'm just now trying to avoid Javascript and build some two level drop down menus -- eays for Mozilla based browers, even Opera -- but what a pain for IE. Generally, however, I still prefer CSS to the old way with tables for layout. I generally agree, but get annoyed every time I have to make special allowances for IE. And now we hear that the next IE might need different hacks that will interefere with our current hacks.
I’m just now trying to avoid Javascript and build some two level drop down menus — eays for Mozilla based browers, even Opera — but what a pain for IE.

Generally, however, I still prefer CSS to the old way with tables for layout.

]]> By: Lockergnome's Web Developers http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-400 Lockergnome's Web Developers Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:51:42 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-400 <strong>Benefits of CSS</strong> Are we really all that clear on the specific benefits of using CSS? Faster pages loads is certainly one well known benefit when coded right. But there are others, too....... Benefits of CSS

Are we really all that clear on the specific benefits of using CSS? Faster pages loads is certainly one well known benefit when coded right. But there are others, too…….

]]> By: Cameron http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-397 Cameron Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:05:52 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-397 Jim - You would think wouldn't you? But like Mike said the learning curve probably scares people away. It could also be lack of education, for the masses that don't read blogs and forums they just don't know any better. Jim – You would think wouldn’t you? But like Mike said the learning curve probably scares people away. It could also be lack of education, for the masses that don’t read blogs and forums they just don’t know any better.

]]> By: Jim http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Jim Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:41:32 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-396 Like Mike said, you hit the nail right on the head with this post. You would think that the maintenance-reducing aspect of CSS alone would be enough to convert even the most stubborn table-addicted designers. Like Mike said, you hit the nail right on the head with this post. You would think that the maintenance-reducing aspect of CSS alone would be enough to convert even the most stubborn table-addicted designers.

]]> By: Mike Stickel http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/04/benefits-of-css/comment-page-1/#comment-392 Mike Stickel Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:32:56 +0000 http://www.cameronolthuis.com/?p=101#comment-392 I'd say that you covered the main points quite well. One of the toughest arguments to overcome is the initial learning curve. In my experience, that is the biggest barrier to entry for people/developers that still use tables — that or they're too lazy to do it. I’d say that you covered the main points quite well. One of the toughest arguments to overcome is the initial learning curve. In my experience, that is the biggest barrier to entry for people/developers that still use tables — that or they’re too lazy to do it.

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