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		<title>By: Damon Billian</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-11672</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Billian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;3. I think it is important for most companies, if not all, to have a blog. Yes, people really do care about what your company has to say. Even more importantly blogs drive traffic to your site, that alone justifies having one doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t it. While a company blog might not be for every company itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ideal in most situations. If youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re still not convinced read this success story.&quot;

I would have to disagree with this statement just a little bit. While I agree it is probably important for many businesses to have a blog, a business that is almost entirely local *probably* doesn&#039;t need a blog (for example, a place that cuts hair probably gets all of their customers through regular WOM). 

Other than that...I would agree that many businesses, especially those with a global presence or product, should blog.

Digg traffic:
I personally like seeing traffic come from del.icio.us (the company I works for tends to get more from del.icio.us). My personal take is that these folks are probably more &quot;sticky&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;3. I think it is important for most companies, if not all, to have a blog. Yes, people really do care about what your company has to say. Even more importantly blogs drive traffic to your site, that alone justifies having one doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t it. While a company blog might not be for every company itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ideal in most situations. If youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re still not convinced read this success story.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would have to disagree with this statement just a little bit. While I agree it is probably important for many businesses to have a blog, a business that is almost entirely local *probably* doesn&#8217;t need a blog (for example, a place that cuts hair probably gets all of their customers through regular WOM). </p>
<p>Other than that&#8230;I would agree that many businesses, especially those with a global presence or product, should blog.</p>
<p>Digg traffic:<br />
I personally like seeing traffic come from del.icio.us (the company I works for tends to get more from del.icio.us). My personal take is that these folks are probably more &#8220;sticky&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-11092</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that almost all the traffic that comes from digg is worthless. There are exceptions though. Some users stick, Some popular bloggers link to your story because they found it on digg, You get links, etc etc. 

It&#039;s prefectly fair that you don&#039;t like digg traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that almost all the traffic that comes from digg is worthless. There are exceptions though. Some users stick, Some popular bloggers link to your story because they found it on digg, You get links, etc etc. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s prefectly fair that you don&#8217;t like digg traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-11091</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you consider YouTube to be viral, what about MySpace, Google, 37Signals, and Digg. These are examples of viral products/businesses. I agree that a lot of people think their shit is viral and it&#039;s not, so you could probably get away with calling that a stupid trend. BUT, there are still some products that are viral.

Your analogy is interesting. Personally I think that anything that spreads via WOM is viral, and from then there&#039;s different levels of viral topping of at the one that never stops spreading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you consider YouTube to be viral, what about MySpace, Google, 37Signals, and Digg. These are examples of viral products/businesses. I agree that a lot of people think their shit is viral and it&#8217;s not, so you could probably get away with calling that a stupid trend. BUT, there are still some products that are viral.</p>
<p>Your analogy is interesting. Personally I think that anything that spreads via WOM is viral, and from then there&#8217;s different levels of viral topping of at the one that never stops spreading.</p>
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		<title>By: Snipperoo</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10771</link>
		<dc:creator>Snipperoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Widgets work!&lt;/strong&gt;

Cameron Olthius, in replying to a fairly negative post by Noah Kagan, states a universal truth of the Widgetsphere:5. Widgets work! IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not saying that you can build a widget for anything and expect it to work but a lot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Widgets work!</strong></p>
<p>Cameron Olthius, in replying to a fairly negative post by Noah Kagan, states a universal truth of the Widgetsphere:5. Widgets work! IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not saying that you can build a widget for anything and expect it to work but a lot</p>
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		<title>By: noah kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10744</link>
		<dc:creator>noah kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 okay digg. digg is great. digg gets you traffic. digg gives you something to jerk off to when you make the homepage. problem. a majority of users are shit. the problem with sites is awareness. there are TONS of people who should be reading your site and should be reading mine. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FIND THEM? sorry for the caps. that is the problem. are those people on digg for your site? most likely. for mine? not as much. so what? 

so i need the right people and the ones that might subscribe to mine from digg are great but they not be the ideal readers. i think of it like this. if i asked all my readers for money the ones that came from digg and stayed wont pay me. the ones who found me from friends, links from others and/or other places are more valuable. i wont deny any traffic but i just prefer it more from other places. fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 okay digg. digg is great. digg gets you traffic. digg gives you something to jerk off to when you make the homepage. problem. a majority of users are shit. the problem with sites is awareness. there are TONS of people who should be reading your site and should be reading mine. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FIND THEM? sorry for the caps. that is the problem. are those people on digg for your site? most likely. for mine? not as much. so what? </p>
<p>so i need the right people and the ones that might subscribe to mine from digg are great but they not be the ideal readers. i think of it like this. if i asked all my readers for money the ones that came from digg and stayed wont pay me. the ones who found me from friends, links from others and/or other places are more valuable. i wont deny any traffic but i just prefer it more from other places. fair?</p>
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		<title>By: noah kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10743</link>
		<dc:creator>noah kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. i wanted to just emphasize with the point that blogs are great and useful but not always necessary. we are on the same page on this one.

hugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. i wanted to just emphasize with the point that blogs are great and useful but not always necessary. we are on the same page on this one.</p>
<p>hugs.</p>
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		<title>By: noah kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10742</link>
		<dc:creator>noah kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 for the advertisers that have been with him for a few months means either 2 things

1) it is worth it..or
2) they are stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 for the advertisers that have been with him for a few months means either 2 things</p>
<p>1) it is worth it..or<br />
2) they are stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: noah kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10741</link>
		<dc:creator>noah kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 in my opinion word of mouth is not viral. i think they can work together but they are two separate ideas. telling your friend is not viral. because your friend doesn&#039;t inherently spread that virus to someone else. think paypal that is the perfect viral model.

this is a really deep topic. here are my quick thoughts on it:

i tell you, you tell hiten, hiten tells aneil. aneil shuts his mouth that is word of mouth

i sign up for something and email you. you email all your friends, they email all their friends and it never ends. this can have a part of word of mouth where people are telling their friends to sign up. i think it is when the product will ONLY succeed and there is a CLEAR incentive for you to invite your friends.

say there is a site where you need people to make it successful aka all social networks. some work better than others because there is more incentive to sign up and want to tell/invite your friends. i think a great study on viral marketing would be to look at the social networks that failed and why no one wanted to spread it. some viral things are undefined and just happen.

okay this was a ramble, hopefully you are still reading=) go tell a friend to read this. oh yea one more thing. viralness needs tools. aka shit to help you tell friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 in my opinion word of mouth is not viral. i think they can work together but they are two separate ideas. telling your friend is not viral. because your friend doesn&#8217;t inherently spread that virus to someone else. think paypal that is the perfect viral model.</p>
<p>this is a really deep topic. here are my quick thoughts on it:</p>
<p>i tell you, you tell hiten, hiten tells aneil. aneil shuts his mouth that is word of mouth</p>
<p>i sign up for something and email you. you email all your friends, they email all their friends and it never ends. this can have a part of word of mouth where people are telling their friends to sign up. i think it is when the product will ONLY succeed and there is a CLEAR incentive for you to invite your friends.</p>
<p>say there is a site where you need people to make it successful aka all social networks. some work better than others because there is more incentive to sign up and want to tell/invite your friends. i think a great study on viral marketing would be to look at the social networks that failed and why no one wanted to spread it. some viral things are undefined and just happen.</p>
<p>okay this was a ramble, hopefully you are still reading=) go tell a friend to read this. oh yea one more thing. viralness needs tools. aka shit to help you tell friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10733</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah, What do you mean Technorati didn&#039;t create a widget? What do you consider all things on this sidebar &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.micropersuasion.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re right though, a lot of widgets suck, but there&#039;s still a lot that have been done right and serve good purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah, What do you mean Technorati didn&#8217;t create a widget? What do you consider all things on this sidebar <a href="http://www.micropersuasion.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, a lot of widgets suck, but there&#8217;s still a lot that have been done right and serve good purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: noah kagan</title>
		<link>http://www.cameronolthuis.com/2006/08/not-so-stupid-trends-of-marketing-20/comment-page-1/#comment-10712</link>
		<dc:creator>noah kagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will do 1 comment per each thing starting at #5.

Think of widgets like a tattoo. If Nike offered you $5 to tattoo someting to your body would you do it. Technorati did not create a widget. They created a useful way for people to get recognition into their system.

Don&#039;t get me wrong. A few widgets are great. the meebome one isn&#039;t bad. the how much is my blog worth was cool. 

bottomline: they are overemphasized and not as ROI as people think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will do 1 comment per each thing starting at #5.</p>
<p>Think of widgets like a tattoo. If Nike offered you $5 to tattoo someting to your body would you do it. Technorati did not create a widget. They created a useful way for people to get recognition into their system.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. A few widgets are great. the meebome one isn&#8217;t bad. the how much is my blog worth was cool. </p>
<p>bottomline: they are overemphasized and not as ROI as people think.</p>
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